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Wednesday, June 5, 2013

What to Expect when you are Expecting: Debating Faith with the Faithful


What to Expect when you are Expecting:  Debating Faith with the Faithful
I suggest that the essence of god occurs to many people in many ways.  Here are a few:  I will not address Agnostic or Atheist for the moment:

1.  The Devote Faithful, never without their god in their conscious, never questioning the ubiquity or magnitude
2.  The Apathetic, which I suggest is not the same thing as Agnostic or Atheist.  They simply do not allocate any thought time to the idea of god, and symbols( churches, crosses, etc.) blend seamlessly in with the architecture of the world, and cause no special thoughts on the subject.
3.  The Desperate - when all else fails "break glass to sound the alarm".  Those faced with sudden death and/or dying, those on the fringes of survival, those who has been subject to a "Jobian"-esque experience and have exhausted themselves and their minds in trying to cope and repair
4.  Early Philosophers and seekers of Truth - the idea of Faith, Truth, and the possibility of a god are fundamental principals in many discourses on any number of different philosophical studies.  The earliest philosophers were concerned with Logic.  These early arguments were concurrent with various forms of beliefs in gods, but their philosophical musings were not necessarily dependent on Faith or god.
5.  Middle Philosophers, retained many of the fundamental structures for philosophical debate, but given the ages they lived in, it was often be Faithful or be killed, and this has a way of "permeating" even the best intents to be purely academic.  Descartes, Locke, Kant, Hobbes, of course Aquinas - they all had to deal with Faith and Higher powers, but not necessarily for the same reasons:
5. a - The Religious Philosopher - Assumes Faith and god as a starting point of Truth, and seeks to explain these existences and their impact of life
5. b - The Reluctant Philosopher - Having exhausted every known means of explaining all that they could explain, there still remained a void that defied every explanation they could think of, except for the existence of a god, but the conundrum was that if "god" is the answer, how do you rationalize it? Or in any way isolate this "solution", and we end up with famous works like Kant's "Critique of Pure Reason".  Purity of reason is no small task, especially when it is your job to explain things that defy explanation (This by the way, was also how Black Holes were rationalized: “If nothing is there, then something very powerful must be there"
Of course there are many more Characterizations; these are just as a few.
As for assigning god with human qualities, the possible constructions of the human mind are both finite, and infinite.  Descartes covered this off very well, so I will quickly summarize:  our imaginations are limited to reconstructions of ideas, perceptions and experiences that we already have knowledge of.  We cannot describe something using language or concepts that we have no knowledge of, so we explain "the explainable" using the tools that we have.  Again, this has been discussed exhaustively in many places at many times.  So, unless you allow god to be described in the only way that we as humans are able, you are left with two choices:  1) State the matter to be Ineffable, and end the discussion. 2)  Outlaw the utterance of the name of god, such that any apparent descriptions are abstracted by at least one level away from god, so as to make every consideration of "him", a disintermediated model with (an understood), not vocalized linkage.  This in the hopes that reverence is preserved.
There is no known bedrock to this debate, and it has been searched for since the earliest known recordings of man's thoughts.  I do not pretend to have the answers, but the question was basically: why do we sometimes describe god using secular concepts.  The catch is this:  you simply cannot have a meaningful discussion about something that you are unable to describe.  Your ability to describe is finite.  It is bounded by a priori knowledge and intellect.